BPTP cheating the customer

[akhil.kumar]

Dear Gaurav,

My suggestion is not limit our self to STP and electric substaion. What we need to do is to settle final once for all in respect to BBA with individual. Otherwise, we going struggle again and again and there is no end. My suggestion as follows:-
1. Ask confirmation from BPTP that there is no other amount (which you know as of now and want to settle) is payable before, on and after registration

2. All individual please reject the demand for STP and electric substation in writing to faeguard yourself for interest beyond one month. Here is the matter for reference

Thx
Akhil

STP, electric substation charges 499490/-:-Your demand for this rejected due to following reason and is null and void:-
I. You have raised your final demand vide possession letter BPTP/A08/A0151/398 dated 15-Sep-2008 (possession notice) by BPTP does not include these charges.
II. Per builder buyer agreement, I have not agreed to pay BPTP such charges against specific to these items as well as amount.
III. EDC/IDC charges are paid to BPTP for external development and internal development.
IV. As per Haryana development and regulation urban area act ,1975 these are the definition of External work & infrastructural work:-
External development works” include water supply, sewerage, drains, necessary provisions of treatment and disposal of sewage, sullage and storm water, roads, electrical works, solid waste management and disposal, slaughter houses, colleges, hospitals, stadium/sports complex, fire stations, grid sub-stations etc. and any other work which the Director may specify to be executed in the periphery of or outside colony/area for the benefit of the colony/area;

Internal development works” means-
(i) metalling of roads and paving of footpaths;
(ii) turfing and plantation with trees of open spaces;
(iii) street lighting;
(iv) adequate and wholesome water supply;
(v) sewers and drains both storm and sullage water and necessary provision for their treatment and disposal; and
(vi) any other work that the Director may think necessary in the interest of proper development of a colony;

[akhil.kumar]

Hi Sunil,

I am asuming that your going to file RTI tomorrow as mentioned by your earlier. Please keep this action in parralel to talking with BPTP.

[shubhohere]

Same Country, same recruitment board (UPSC), still huge differences in mentality between Haryana and Uttar Pradesh. I wonder how they are so different even when two Babus from same state (say, for example tamilnadu) work in totally different way in UP and Haryana, irrespective of different political color.


Haryana is a cash-rich state, UP not. Although UP has several people who are quite richer. UP has more no of scandals too. Still, when UP government decides to develop a colony / a city, first it comes with a master-plan, then go for land deal, then making basic infrastructure like roads, drains, sanitation, etc and then it sells – partly direct sale, partly selling to builders.


In case of Haryana, first it decides to make a colony/city of a particular area, that too even after tip-off from the builders’ community. Then they are asking the private builders to buy land / start work therein. Accordingly builders floating advertisements and investors started investing. Then after some time / few years (depending on the responses received by the builder community) then think of making sector roads, sanitary line, etc. In case, if any land-deal requires, that starts at this point. Already they have started taking various taxes (inc EDC, etc) but that was unplanned. Suddenly they send a revised rate. They (in Haryana) make roads, etc with tax-payers' money and after that they impose toll-tax too, to maintain the roads. Still, you see the condition of roads in Faridabad, Gurgaon (if anybody knows about Hissar/ Panipat / Ballabhgarh / etc kindly add here) – it’s worst!

[shubhohere]

I notice in another forum that someone (plot investor) had received a demand of 7 lacs in the month of April, 2011. Pl check what happened with him... more information may be provided by Mr Groovi (Sr Member of this forum)

[akhil.kumar]

what do u mean by what hapnd to that bptp customer. Pls provide details.

[shubhohere]

What I mentioned that is based on the following post (please check the link) :

http://www.indianrealestateforum.com/faridabad/t-bptp-demanding-2-5-lacs-250-sy-plot-etp-effluent-treatment-plan-21874.html


it's bad! but, this is also not clear why some plot owners received increased EDC+STP demand in April, and some are receiving now...

[shubhohere]

Dear Akhil...

You may also meet Newly appointed DC Dr Rakesh Gupta, and may also file a complaint if he asks...

DC office is open to public from 11 ~12 and during that time no appointment required.

Lets' check whether this demand is as per Govt's stance on various development charges of your sector...

[gauravarora]

Couple of points came to my mind. If you visit the webpage of BPTP Grandeura, it defines Development charges (both External and internal - EDC & IDC) as:

"**Development Charges shall mean the amount charged by the Company from the Applicant(s) towards the external development of the Colony including providing water supply, sewerage, drains necessary, provisions of treatment and disposal of sewage, sullage and storm water, roads, electrical works, solid waste management and disposal, hospitals, stadium / sports complex, fire stations, grid sub- stations, etc. and such other developments which shall be undertaken by the Company in addition to the works done by the Government of Haryana or through Haryana Urban Development Authority or any other local body or Authority and includes all charges as may be levied by any Authority including DTCP like external development charges, internal development works and infrastructure development charges or any other charges as may be levied or enhanced in future by any Authority."

Source:http://bptp.com/parkgrandeurapricelist&paymentplan.php

Applying the same logic to our plots, why is BPTP charging us extra for Electrification and STP.

Another thought which crossed my mind is that for all these flats,be in any builder they charge for electricity connection per KV. Puri charges Rs. 25000 per KV and minimum connection which people take is of 2KV and maximum can go up to 5-7 KV depending on the size of the unit. As BPTP is already charging us for Electrification, so will we be charged extra per KV also at a later stage?

Just bouncing off my thoughts, share your views as well.

Regards,
Gaurav

[ssg.sunilgupta]

Gaurav - you have excellent observation. agree 100%.
also this is the same definition as per Haryana regulation act 1975.

I have filled a RTI with both HUDA and TCP Haryana on this question today.

Thanks
Sunil

[shubhohere]

Development Charges of Rs 460 psf is too much and its' much higher than even what other builders are charging... So,I don't think that BPTP will demand separately for STP or anything else from Grandeura buyers...


Please check your agreement. I don't think this particular clause is mentioned there, neither they have charged you on Rs 460 psf.

As per as the per KV connection charge is concerned, that is for Installing DGs. This is not applicable for plot owners, I believe.

Couple of points came to my mind. If you visit the webpage of BPTP Grandeura, it defines Development charges (both External and internal - EDC & IDC) as:

"**Development Charges shall mean the amount charged by the Company from the Applicant(s) towards the external development of the Colony including providing water supply, sewerage, drains necessary, provisions of treatment and disposal of sewage, sullage and storm water, roads, electrical works, solid waste management and disposal, hospitals, stadium / sports complex, fire stations, grid sub- stations, etc. and such other developments which shall be undertaken by the Company in addition to the works done by the Government of Haryana or through Haryana Urban Development Authority or any other local body or Authority and includes all charges as may be levied by any Authority including DTCP like external development charges, internal development works and infrastructure development charges or any other charges as may be levied or enhanced in future by any Authority."

Source:http://bptp.com/parkgrandeurapricelist&paymentplan.php

Applying the same logic to our plots, why is BPTP charging us extra for Electrification and STP.

Another thought which crossed my mind is that for all these flats,be in any builder they charge for electricity connection per KV. Puri charges Rs. 25000 per KV and minimum connection which people take is of 2KV and maximum can go up to 5-7 KV depending on the size of the unit. As BPTP is already charging us for Electrification, so will we be charged extra per KV also at a later stage?

Just bouncing off my thoughts, share your views as well.

Regards,
Gaurav

[BlessU]

Hi
Greetings

Replying to Shuboheres' post:

True this is a case about which Gaurav discussed with me. Probably all money was taken and the gentleman is still waiting for possession/registration since the last 7 months.

Replying to Gauravs question:

About the per KVA expense on load sanction, I believe the letter reproduced on the forum mentions the "current demand" is towards electricity sub station and STP.

In all probability only bptp customer service may clarify.
a) about KVA load connection charges, if extra?
b) clear differentiation is not there between stp and electricity sub station, in current demand.
c) No method of calculation is available/provided to differentiate between the two
d) Final charges (balance payment, etc)
e) registration and handing over method, agent and time required to occupy and register.
f) Internal infra in terms of Street light, parks, water tank, sewerage, Electric power cable etc status

I am not willing to pay any increased edc or charges as mentioned herein. Case regarding increase in edc is already in court by GFWA and I think New Faridabad Association as well as by some builders (not 100%) therefore, on my personal count I will not pay any incremental/increased EDC or interest thereon till case is resolved/settled.. I shall be happy paying interest once the case, if and unfortunately, is lost.

Regarding STP, Electricity substation expense after all clarifications are received, I am happy to go along with all, if required through court. In such case I will still not pay the additional charges and would be happy to pay interest onace the case, if and unfortunately, is lost.

In all fairness as proven by Gaurav, as well as other valued members mention of the Huda Act, its evident that no such payment is due. Another look at agreement would also be needed. Its funny if such new charges crop up after more than 6 years of agreement and its been more than 2 years that 95% has gone.

Would request if information from any other plotted development be obtained from another builder regarding similar charges being levied by them??

Cheers

[shubhohere]

It’s very unfortunate if the gentleman is still waiting for possession/registration for last seven months even after paying all money…

Is it a planned game of this builder? Whatever it, this would be a strong case in any court..

[akhil.kumar]

Thanks Sunil!
Please post the outcome of RTI.

[rajan]

so far we have seen in this forum about the extra EDC
there is another new dimension added by bptp by asking another huge amount for sewerage treatment plant and a 220 kv sub station.
i hane a plot of 350sq yd in park land and they are asking 3.8 laks for above,though we have taken possesion of plot two yrs ago.
as per the regulation and rules of huda this money has to be approved by builder from huda even before the approval of licence. which clearly shows that this amount is the part of normal development charges.
i request through this coloums the alloties of BPTP TO REACT.
RAJAN

[akhil.kumar]

I suggested to reject these demand. Customer is entitled to know why he has to pay and for what and why. Untill you have these answer, you have full authority to rject. Do so.